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4:05 pm February 28, 2008
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This taken from the old shedtalk forum and its about cottage in the woods from Alan (mailee)I only managed to get some of the post across… sorry…..
Hi guys. I have been reading some of the postings on here and looking at some of the picutres and must admit there are some nice sheds around. I decided to build my own as I needed a fairly large workshop for my woodworking hobby. My wife has been complaining about all my tools in the spare bedroom and my garage is full of them too so it was time to do something about it. I decided I had enough land to build a workshop of 23′ x 13′ which would include a veranda for the nice summer evenings if we ever get any that is. I also wanted somewhere to hang my hammock that I have had for around a year now with nowhere to hang it. I priced up the wood using CLS in 2″ x4″ to make sure it would be a sturdy structure. Shiplap was to be used for the cladding as I like the look of it and the inside would be clad in MDF as this is a nice smooth surface to wipe off the sawdust. Insulation would be provided with 2″ thick polystyrene sheets packed between the framework. A friend of mine has used this method and I have to admit it is certainly warm in his shed. All the timber including the roofing beams and the cladding came out around £1,300, but that is without any interior cladding or insulation. Roofing felt or shingles will also be an extra to this price along with the electrics. I was lucky enough to have armoured cable to an old shed that I pulled down at the start of the project so that was not a worry. Unfortunately the ground was as there was a number of trees, bushes and rockeries in the way not to mention paving in abundance. I set to digging and drilling to remove all of the above which took me around three weeks. I was beginning to wish I had never started it at one point when I had dug three feet down and still not got to the roots of a tree! Finally all the digging was done and it was time to lay the foundations. I didn’t fancy the idea of all that cement mixing so decided to set footings 18″ deep and 18″ square on top of 6″ of hardcore. Well there was still a lot of mixing to do and it was all by hand and I was knackered by the end of it. The site was levelled and breeze blocks cemented on top of the footings to raise the structure above ground level. Once this was done we applied a plastic membrane over the entire area to stop any weeds or indeed missed roots from re-apearing. The joist were laid first and there was a few to say the least I used 2″ x 6″ and used joist hangers to connect them before nailing them home. The floor as indeed the roof uses 19mm T&G floooring as it lasts longer and is stronger than boarding and will be a good base for my tools and machines. I had just bought a framing nailer for this job and am glad I did as it sped the job along. The side frames were assembled on the workshop floor and the uprights spaced at 600mm intervals on centre as the joists were also spaced using this measurement. Once one frame was complete it was erected ready for the next to be assembled on the floor again. Once all the frames were up we added the noggins which were staggered in a two one pattern. The workshop has four windows in all with two at the front two at the side and one at the back. The rear one is to be fitted with acrylic as it overlooks a golf course. The two front and the rear will open so large lengths of wood can be accomadated on the radial arm saw if need be. Four posts of 4″x4″ are used to support the front of the veranda and are being tennoned into ranch style rails and the top supports for the roof. At the moment it is still in the skeletal stage as will be seen from the pictures on this site ‘Alan Willey’s Cottage in the wooods’ Rain has stopped play at the moment but hopefully tomorrow is to be a better day and we can start the cladding and roofing if time permits. I shall keep you posted as it progresses. oh and the ‘we’ by the way is not the royal one but my mate Trev who is giving up his time to help me.
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4:05 pm February 28, 2008
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Well today was a better day, or part of it was and we managed to get some of the cladding done. I was alone for the morning so concentrated on getting on with the veranda and got the apex boards finsihed and the veranda almost complete apart from the handrails. In the afternoon I was joined by my friend and we managed to get both sides cladded up to the eaves. there is just one board left each side now that needs to be trimmed to fit. Tomorrow if the weather permits we shall get the front and back cladding finished and maybe even a roof on it. We have left the windows until the end as we can cut these out with the router. I still have to buy the glass for them and make some frames anyway. Hopefully I should have more to tell tomorrow evening.
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4:06 pm February 28, 2008
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Well rain certainly did stop play for a while and has held us up a little. Between the rain showers we managed to complete the front and back cladding and have got one side of the roof on. I ended up nailing it in the rain as it had started again surprise, surprise. Tomorrow I am back at work but am on the early shift so in the afternoon I shall get the roof finished with a little luck and fair weather of course. I have bought roofing felt for now but intend to cover it with felt shingles in the future. funds are a little low at the moment so they must take a back seat for now. I need some more wood for the handrails on the veranda and shall get those this week alnog with the timber for the windows and hopefully the doors. Will keep you guys posted as and when it happens. Until then I am praying for good weather again.
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4:07 pm February 28, 2008
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Well almost got the roof finished now after running out of T&G boarding. We ended up just 7 lengths short! Not too bad when you consider there was now around £1,500 worth of the stuff! It did cost another £60 for the rest of the wood but there is enough for the window casings too. Tomorrow it is time to felt the roof and then build a door, or I should say pair of doors as it will be a double. Then I have the unenviable task of treating all the workshop before i put in the glass. Will keep you posted as to how things progress.
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4:07 pm February 28, 2008
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Great weather the last couple of days and I managed to get the roof finsihed and felted. What a task that was being 23′ long it took some manhandling of the rolls to position them in the right place and roll them out without any creases. Anyway it took around three hours to acomplish but is now watertight. I have started making the window frames now and shall get some more wood for the doors this weekend. I intend to have double doors half glazed with raised bottom panels so it will keep in with the style of the ‘Cottage’ I think my router is in for some overtime this weekend. Will keep you all posted
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4:07 pm February 28, 2008
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Well today was indeed a productive day. I got both doors finished apart from a little sanding to tidy them up after the router had done it’s work. The timber for the doors cost me almost £30 which I thought wasn’t too bad as it was 1 1/2″ x 4″ and 1 1/2″ x 6″. Altogether it was around 12 mtrs in all. They didn’t turn out bad but took most of the weekend to acomplish. It is usually the fiddly bits that take the time up. Now they are finished they look the part as you will see from the photo’s in the gallery. It is looking more akin to a summerhouse than a workshop but that is the look I wanted as it is more pleasing to anyone who views it. I have managed to start the windows and have two frames drying at the moment. If I have time tomorrow I shall install the glazing bars for these and rebate them for the glass. These are the opening lights as the frame casings are already fitted in the openings. I am still undecided as to the colour of the timber treatment I shall use brown or Green? I want to keep it as close to the original wood colour as I can but don’t want to spend a fortune. If anyone has any ideas I am open to suggestions.
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4:08 pm February 28, 2008
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The ground is levelled by first knocking stakes into it and getting them level with a large spirit level. Then mark off the lowest point of the ground on them and tie string between them. Remove or add soil until they are level with the strings. My shed is 23′ x 13′ and for this I used 15 footings which consisited of 6″ of hardcore on top of which is placed 18″ of concrete in 18″squares. i think this may be a little overboard but I wanted to make sure it had firm foundations. The subsoil here is clay so I think it should do the trick. On top of the concrete piers I cemented breeze blocks to raise the shed above ground level and keep it dry. A damp proof membrane was placed over the soil and weighted down with bricks and rubble just to make sure nothing would grow through. I intend to use the shed as a workshopp for my woodwork and will have a few machines in there so I also used T&G flooring to make sure it would take the weight placed on it. Never been too impressed with chipboard or stirling board and the last thing I want is to be replacing it in a few years. Hope this helps you Beast. if there is anything else you need to know and i can answer it feel free. Have a look at the photo section on here it will help a lot with the construction I am sure. wink.gif
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4:08 pm February 28, 2008
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Well being on the late shift at work this week I don’t get much time but have managed to complete the doors today, apart from the glass and locks that is. I shall fit the hinges and mount them tomorrow morning. I have them both cut to fit the frames now and have routed a rebate in each of them so they close together. I will fit a rim lock on the rear and bolts top and bottom of the other door. I know I could have just bought a pair of doors and made the openings to fit them but where is the fun in that? At least once it is complete I can say I built it all from the ground up. Yes, it is time consuming cutting all the mortice and tennon joints and routing the georgian glazing bars and rebating the frames for the glass but that is woodwork isn’t it? I am a firm believer in if a jobs worth doing it is worth doing well and if that means taking a little more time so be it. After all it is a nice feeling when friends say that is a nice job. So far to date I have been working out what I have spent and it comes to £1,487 and oddments so I think I am roughly in line with my estimation of it costing just under £2000. Not bad considering that I priced one of the log cabins in the same dimensions and it came to £4,500 without electrics and insulation! Will keep you posted as to my progress as usual.
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4:08 pm February 28, 2008
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I got the fourth window installed today and that just leaves one more now. I shall be buying the rest of the wood tomorrow too so I can finish the verada rails and the soffits and facias. That is another £90 to the total cost. I have ordered the glass for the windows today and was surprised at the cost of £88! That is for two doors, two windows of 3′x2′ and two windows of 4′x2′ all in 3/4″ double glazed panels, not bad eh? They will take about a week so I should be just about ready for them by then. I still have to spray the shed with some timber treatment and shall buy that this coming week too. Must get it wheatherproofed. Today I have also cut and glued the last window frame together and that is now drying overnight . I shall install the glazing bars and cut the recess for the glass tomorrow and should with a little luck get that one finished as I already have the plastic for it. I will keep you posted as and when again as usual. wink.gif Oh and there are the latest photos on the site again now. biggrin.gif
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4:09 pm February 28, 2008
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I bought the wood to finish the rails soffits and facias today around £95. That should see the outside finished at last. I did manage to do a little work today after running around town after work for the wood some more sanding belts and a few catches and fittings. I got the fifth and final window frame completed and ready for installation. I have to cut out the opening in the rear of the shed for it yet though. I had planned where and how many windows were needed in the planning stages and then shiplap planked over them. Then it was a simple case of plunging a router with a guided bit in and cutting out the opening, much neater and easier than butting up the planks to the opening. i know it is more wasteful of the shiplap but that will be used on other projects and areas of the shed anyway. I must wait until the glass is ready to completely finish the windows but until then I have plenty to do. Tomorrow, weather permitting, I shall open up the rear window and fit the casing and frame. I also intend to fit the soffits and facias and install the veranda rails. Now that is what I intend to do but in reality I think I shall probably only get some of it done. It is an early start tomorrow so maybe, just maybe, with a little luck I could get more done. I have planty of M&T to cut on the veranda rails so that should keep me busy not to mention the soffits which will require trimming down in width as well as length to fit. Oh well, the wife is at work all day so I won’t be disturbed. wink.gif The cost to date is now around the £1,600 mark including the glass and fittings. I shall do a complete costing down to the last penny when the project is finished as I have all the bills and reciepts in my desk. Will keep you posted how I get on tomorrow so stay tuned. biggrin.gif
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4:09 pm February 28, 2008
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Well guys, I certainly made the use of the good weather today, Well no rain anyway. I managed to fit all the soffits and the front veranda rails although I ran out of time for the side rails and the rear window. As you will see from the pictures I have just uploaded it was late when I finished around 9.30pm. I had been working since 8am and only stopped for lunch as tea was in the workshop while I worked. Dedicated or what? rolleyes.gif Most of the day was taken up with the soffits and facias as I had forgot to trim the ends of the roof trusses back far enough! We all make mistakes. Luckily my friend and next door neighbour loaned me his sabre saw which did the job. I think the worst part of the job was tensioning the roof felt to attach the runners on the sides to hold it down. It was a job made more difficult on the left hand side as there is not much room to get a ladder in between the bushes and fence. That little lot took me about five hours to complete! My wife had a laugh when I backed down from the steps straight onto a rose bush that bit me in the backside! Well at least that job is now finished and I can concentrate on the veranda side rails and the rear window. Unfortunately it will have to wait until Monday morning as I am helping a friend erect a fence at his home tomorrow. I am on the late shift Monday so at least I can get an early start then. Not long now and the outside will be complete at last and ready for the wood preserver. Will keep you posted again as usual. wink.gif
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4:09 pm February 28, 2008
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Make sure you start from a level base this is crucial. This combined with square corners is the secret to getting it right and looking professional. You are right Divvy in that you must nail into the end of the noggins with two nails which in your case should be around 3.5 to 4″ long. The damp proof membrane should be sandwiched between the frame and floor only unless it is a concrete base that should have a membrane of it’s own covering all the area of floor. This should be set under the concrete anyway. If your framework timber is that cheap go for it. Just enquire about the CLS at the timber yard it may be cheaper. It was the cheapest option for me here and the offcuts come in handy for making benches later. Window should be incorporated at the planning stage as it will need reinforcing around it with framework and noggins as should the doorway. These are stress areas. Good planning is a must if you want to avoid mistakes. If there is a problem it is far better to iron it out in the planning rather than waste wood and hard earned cash I think you would agree. I use Autocad and Turbocad for my plans as it is so easy to alter things and even see the finished item in 3D. I can even make cutting lists with it so I know pretty well how much wood it will take to complete a project. I used to make drawings by hand in the early days and used to have many sheets for each project. One tip I can give you is when you cut your first frame upright use it to cut the rest instead of measuring each one, this way they will all be the same length. In the trade it is called a rod and is marked with pencil lines for length and cuts to be made. It is a very accurate method to use. Best of luck with the project mate.
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4:09 pm February 28, 2008
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Just finished for this morning and managed to fit the last of the veranda rails. It has been drizzle all morning but luckily that didn’t hold me up as most of the work was indoors putting the tennons on the rails. No pictures at the moment as I just ran out of time. I also made up the Lexon panels for the rear window and with a spacing strip in between them. I thought there was no harm in making the plastic glass double glazed too as I had enough left over. Tomorrow if the weather is better I shall cut out the rear window opening and get the casing installed. I need some more timber for the corners of the shed to cover the ends of the shiplap but that isn’t going to break the bank and will not take long to do. Then everything is complete on the outside ready for timber treatment which is long overdue. This will be done beefore the widow glass is installed. I did manage to have one misshap this morning too when one of my bearing guided router bits decided to part company with the bearing and dissapeared into the bushes! Guess I will have to check them for tightness next time. My mistake in my haste I am afraid. Still the timber wasn’t ruined so I got away lucky. Will as usual keep you all updated as to the progress again.
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4:10 pm February 28, 2008
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This morning was taken up by shopping around for the shed. I now have the double glazed panels for the windows and doors and the wood for the corners of the shed. I also bought the timber treatment so it is all out tomorrow to complete the outside. I am hoping the forecast is right as it should be dry and around 23 degrees, I have my fingers crossed. I tried all the glazing units in the frames today and they fit perfect so I am a happy man. I think I will need a second mortgage for all the silicone sealer they will take but at least they won’t fall out. biggrin.gif If all goes to plan I shall be fitting the locks and catches on Sunday and then the outside will be finished and I won’t have to continue to heave the tools to and from the house, that should please the wife I can tell you. I am under a promise that I will cleen the kitchen up once all the tools have gone. i have posted another photo on the site I took from the bedroom window showing the scale of this thing. Will as usual keep you posted to my accomplishments over the weekend.
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4:10 pm February 28, 2008
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Well most of today I have been applying the timber treatment. I have given everything one coat so far and it looks like it is going to be another day of it tomorrow. Must admit the colour I chose isn’t too bad and is a sand colour called ‘Harvest gold’ I did manage to start fitting some of the glass in the windows as I had treated these first thing this morning and managed to give them a second coat. I do however have a problem, two of the front windows are too small for the glazing units! Oh my god! Well I did say we all make mistakes even all the years I have been doing woodwork I still make em! Well it is either order two new glazed units or make two new frames to fit them. I have decided to make two new frames as I have enough wood left over to do this. I think this will knock me back a day or so but at least I won’t have to order more glass and wait another week for it. Somehow I had measured the frames and the recesses for the glass was 805mm for some reason I wrote it down as 850mm! so that is the size it was made to. Oh well you win some you lose some. Looks like I have some more work tomorrow after the timber treatment. Will keep you posted as usual and will upload more pictures as I take them.
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